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Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby Neel Mehta » Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:16 pm

What do the following pairs of famous siblings have in common? To be clear, I'm asking why these particular 6 pairs of siblings are special in a way that other famous siblings are not.

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Okay, the last 2 pairs -- the brothers in suits and the only pair of sisters -- are somewhat tricky. Depicted in each picture is a twin on the right, and a much younger sibling of that twin on the left. I'm certain that I got the correct male twin (he's the real estate agent, NOT the contractor) and about 95 percent sure I got the correct female twin (she's the child actress turned business mogul, NOT the other child actress turned business mogul). I guess I'm saying the choice of twin matters.
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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby Bill » Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:51 pm

This might expand your parameters a bit...

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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby Neel Mehta » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:41 pm

I am SO relieved that this was solvable. I was going to mention the Oscar-winning brothers and
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the fictional doctor
later.

Here's a demented hint I wanted to post originally, but the site allows for no more than 3 images per post (why stop at 3 when you can have 4?):

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I could have posted this image instead, with Mustache Brother and Leather Vest Brother switching places, and it still works. I would not have posted images of the other siblings switching places.
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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby Bill » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:23 pm

I also found a pair of wrestlers known as "The Steiner Brothers" who might not fit your theme exactly, but could be a useful clue for Skullturfq, Econgator, and Naurae29 at the very least.
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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby Neel Mehta » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:47 pm

Not sure how many of the forum regulars have stopped by recently, but if anyone is stumped, here's a fictional pair of siblings from Back to the Future III that should make things clearer:

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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby gwynn1984 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:36 am

I think I got one.

Question/hint:
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Is it okay if you have to use one of their formal names (rather than the name they typically go by)?


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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby gwynn1984 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:44 am

Hint...
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This one you have to use both of their formal names...


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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby Neel Mehta » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:04 am

It's been a month, and Bill and gwynn1984 have figured it out, so here is the solution:

If you look at each sibling photo above and list their first names from left to right, you come up with a third celebrity. (It's a tall set of images. You may need to scroll down, or click it to see everything.)

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ABIGAIL Breslin, SPENCER Breslin gives you ABIGAIL SPENCER.
CHRIS Kratt, MARTIN Kratt gives you CHRIS MARTIN.
DAVID Carradine, KEITH Carradine gives you DAVID KEITH.
(The demented hint with the Carradine brothers swapped gives you KEITH DAVID.)
JOHN Kennedy, EDWARD Kennedy gives you JOHN EDWARD.
J.D. Scott, DREW Scott gives you J.D. DREW.
ELIZABETH Olsen, ASHLEY Olsen gives you ELIZABETH ASHLEY.

If I may:

BEN Affleck, CASEY Affleck gives you fictional TV doctor BEN CASEY.
ZACHARY (Zac) Hanson, TAYLOR Hanson gives you ZACHARY TAYLOR.
RICHARD (Dick) Smothers, THOMAS (Tom) Smothers gives you RICHARD THOMAS.

Originally, I was going to describe J.D. Scott -- the younger sibling of more famous twins -- as the Elizabeth Olsen of the Property Brothers family, before realizing I could also use Elizabeth Olsen. And, by a bizarre coincidence, that LIFE Magazine cover of Elizabeth Ashley is dated November 22, 1963.

The use of siblings is kind of a gimmick. You only need to have a set of 3 people who share a total of 3 names:

ABIGAIL, SPENCER, BRESLIN
CHRIS, MARTIN, KRATT
JOHN, EDWARD, KENNEDY
ELIZABETH, ASHLEY, OLSEN

Sometimes you can get 4 people out of 3 names:

DAVID, KEITH, CARRADINE when you include Keith David, as above.
J.D., DREW, SCOTT when you include Baylor men's basketball coach Scott Drew.

Aside from Keith David, there's a lack of diversity in this thread, so this follow-up question should make up for that. Below I describe a set of 3 unrelated people who share a total of 3 names:

1. Actor born in Pakistan and raised in Britain, probably best known for playing an Afghan ally of James Bond in The Living Daylights (1987) and the main terrorist in True Lies (1994).

2. Hall of Fame wide receiver who spent most of his career with the unfortunately named NFL franchise in Washington, DC, where they won three Super Bowls for the 1982-1983, 1987-1988, and 1991-1992 seasons.

3. University of Kentucky freshman basketball player who scored 47 points against North Carolina in December 2016. He declared for the 2017 NBA Draft last week.
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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby Bill » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:40 pm

I held off on posting this until the answer was revealed, fearing it might be a giveaway.

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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby rockgolf » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:15 am

So... would this have worked?
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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby Neel Mehta » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:22 pm

rockgolf wrote:So... would this have worked?


Close. Invert the image so that Ariel is on the left and Sarah is on the right, and then it's exactly like the Back to the Future III example: fictional siblings, real-life author.

Edited to add: Yep, now it works.
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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby jbenz » Fri Apr 14, 2017 10:16 am

This thread got me thinking about Jonathan Taylor Thomas and the question of how many other celebs could be made from those three names. And that kinda snowballed into the Pic Tac Toe below.

Do you remember Pic Tac Toes on this site?

I finished it, and then I realized that Mary Grand Pre is actually spelled Mary GrandPre. Well... let's just pretend it is Mary Grand Pre.

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Also, I cheated. One solution is used twice. (One answer can be used to describe two of the eight themes.)

And please feel free to google some of these. I wouldn't expect anyone to know the names of all the Harry Potter illustrators or this rather obscure actor.
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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby Bill » Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:11 pm

Here's my first stab at it. I think I got most of them.

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Slash - CHOCOLATE: Snickers Bar, Chocolate Frog, Chocolate Chips

Backslash – THREE NAMES: Jonathan Taylor Thomas, Mary Grand Pre, Frank Lloyd Wright

Left – THOMAS: Jonathan Taylor Thomas, Thomas Taylor, Thomas the Tank Engine

Middle – GRAND: Vodka Grand Thomas, Mary Grand Pre, Grand Moff Tarkin

Right – WRIGHT: Thomas Wright, Cliff Wright, Frank Lloyd Wright

Top – THOMAS: Jonathan Taylor Thomas, Vodka Grand Thomas, Thomas Wright

Center – HARRY POTTER ILLUSTRATORS: Thomas Taylor, Mary Grand Pre, Cliff Wright

Assuming those are right, this leaves only the Bottom row unsolved. Some wild guesses...

GREAT BUILDERS: Bob the Builder, Grand Moff Tarkin, Frank Lloyd Wright

THINGS THAT WERE ANIMATED: Thomas in the cartoon series, Tarkin in Rogue One, Fallingwater in Minecraft

THINGS WITH A RECOGNIZABLE SMELL: Chocolate chip cookies, Tarkin's foul stench, Mist rising from a waterfall

Yeah, I don't know.
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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby Neel Mehta » Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:38 pm

This was pretty good. I haven't made or solved a Pic-Tac-Toe in a long time. I got the same answers as Bill and would say that his middle guess for the bottom row is closest to what I thought that theme was:
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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby jbenz » Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:57 pm

Yes, Bill was correct and yes, Neel was the most correct on the bottom row. Thanks for playing!
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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby Neel Mehta » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:18 am

Neel Mehta wrote:Aside from Keith David, there's a lack of diversity in this thread, so this follow-up question should make up for that. Below I describe a set of 3 unrelated people who share a total of 3 names:

1. Actor born in Pakistan and raised in Britain, probably best known for playing an Afghan ally of James Bond in The Living Daylights (1987) and the main terrorist in True Lies (1994).

2. Hall of Fame wide receiver who spent most of his career with the unfortunately named NFL franchise in Washington, DC, where they won three Super Bowls for the 1982-1983, 1987-1988, and 1991-1992 seasons.

3. University of Kentucky freshman basketball player who scored 47 points against North Carolina in December 2016. He declared for the 2017 NBA Draft last week.


No movement after 8 days. They are actor ART MALIK, footballer ART MONK, and basketballer MALIK MONK.

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Further follow-up notes. I noticed that Jonathan Taylor Thomas can be used to create 3 more famous people when you add a fourth name.

JONATHAN/TAYLOR/THOMAS/SWIFT (Thomas Swift being a fictional character better known as Tom Swift, the origin of Tom Swifties, he said trivially.)

Also, I came across multiple examples using iconic actor James Dean.

JAMES/DEAN/CAIN (author James Cain, actor Dean Cain)

JAMES/DEAN/CAMERON (director James Cameron, character actor Dean Cameron)

JAMES/DEAN/EDWARDS (NBA player James Edwards, SNL alum Dean Edwards)

JAMES/DEAN/JONES (author James Jones, actor Dean Jones)

JAMES/DEAN/MARTIN (former NC governor James Martin, singer-actor Dean Martin)

Any others? SMITH works, I guess, but the most famous James Smith is better known as LL Cool J.

Can you come up with any other sets of 3 people, related or unrelated, that share a total of 3 names?
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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby jbenz » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:13 pm

ART / MALIK / MONK is pretty cool. Nice.

I came up with:

BOB / HOPE / DAVIS (KC Royals broadcaster Bob Davis and actress Hope Davis)

JOHN / GLENN / BECK (Recent NFL QB John Beck and Glenn Beck.)
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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby Neel Mehta » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:45 am

jbenz wrote:JOHN / GLENN / BECK (Recent NFL QB John Beck and Glenn Beck.)


You can also use John Glenn for

JOHN/GLENN/FORD (Director John Ford, actor Glenn Ford)

Then I got:

TOMMY/JOHN/THOMPSON (Pitcher and surgical namesake Tommy John, Georgetown Hall of Fame coach John Thompson, and former WI governor and HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson)

I found a set with two superheroes:

CHRISTOPHER/REEVE/CARNEY (Late Superman Christopher Reeve, Broadway Spider-Man Reeve Carney, Late Singer-MTV Reality Show Personality Christopher Carney)

Speaking of superhero names, these three make a full Hawkeye:

BENJAMIN/FRANKLIN/PIERCE (Statesman and Puff Daddy inspiration Benjamin Franklin, 14th U.S. President Franklin Pierce, his father and NH governor Benjamin Pierce)
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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby Bill » Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:43 pm

Neel Mehta wrote:Can you come up with any other sets of 3 people, related or unrelated, that share a total of 3 names?


We explored similar territory here and here, but I don't think we've quite done this specific challenge yet.

I found a trio that consists of a former President of the United States, a former President of a country that seceded from the United States, and the erstwhile partner of a potential future President of the United States (in my hyper-liberal fantasy dreams).

Any guesses?
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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby jbenz » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:00 pm

Bill wrote:... the erstwhile partner of a potential future President ...


And a terrific LB for the Carolina Panthers.
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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby Neel Mehta » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:53 pm

jbenz wrote:
Bill wrote:... the erstwhile partner of a potential future President ...


And a terrific LB for the Carolina Panthers.


Oh, in that case:

THOMAS/JEFFERSON/DAVIS

Bill, who had an "erstwhile partner" named Thomas Davis? I couldn't find that one.

Meanwhile, I thought of

GARY/ANDERSON/COOPER (NFL kicker Gary Anderson, CNN journalist Anderson Cooper, actor Gary Cooper)
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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby Bill » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:55 am

Neel Mehta wrote:
THOMAS/JEFFERSON/DAVIS

Bill, who had an "erstwhile partner" named Thomas Davis? I couldn't find that one.


He was better known as Tom, and his former comedy partner is currently serving in the United States Senate.
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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby Neel Mehta » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:56 pm

Bill wrote:
Neel Mehta wrote:
THOMAS/JEFFERSON/DAVIS

Bill, who had an "erstwhile partner" named Thomas Davis? I couldn't find that one.


He was better known as Tom, and his former comedy partner is currently serving in the United States Senate.


Ah, a comedy writing partner. I was looking for an ex-spouse.

Breaking up the sausage fest a little:

MARK/GRACE/KELLY (Baseballer-turned-broadcaster Mark Grace, Actress-turned-princess Grace Kelly, astronaut-turned-author Mark Kelly)
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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby jbenz » Tue May 02, 2017 9:59 am

BARRY / RYAN / SWITZER

Superbowl winning head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, Barry Switzer.

This year's fourth round pick by the Dallas Cowboys, WR Ryan Switzer (no relation).

Singer Barry Ryan, who... let's see... once had a hit song called Eloise that was later covered by the group Leningrad Cowboys. So there you go.
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Re: Famous Siblings and the Transitive Property

Postby jbenz » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:30 pm

Bill wrote:...a potential future President of the United States (in my hyper-liberal fantasy dreams).



Bill.... I have bad news.

So who are we voting for in 2020? Elizabeth Warren? Kamala Harris?

Or maybe... a former speech writer and dare I say rising Democratic star who shares his exact name with an even more famous filmmaker? (Since this thread is originally about sharing names, after all.)

I'm not kidding, I think he could run in 2020.
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