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Postby krf100 » Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:47 am

For whomever can answer it. If there is a mistake made that doesn't "appear" to be repaired during the game, will they reward the money post production?

An example would be Ken's "Ho" answer. It was ruled wrong, but in retrospect, I'm pretty certain it fit the clue perfectly.

Another example was from a few years ago, the final Jeopardy answer was Don Quijote and one of the contestants wrote Don Quixote. As I recall, Alex made a comment like, "Even allowing for misspelling, we can't make that answer work." However, it was correct according to many of the spellings I've seen. It didn't affect the outcome of the game, and maybe at that time they weren't giving cash for 2nd and 3rd anyway. But would they have fixed it with the contestant afterward if it would have made a difference?
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Re: Jeopardy question...

Postby themanwho » Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:17 am

krf100 wrote:For whomever can answer it. If there is a mistake made that doesn't "appear" to be repaired during the game, will they reward the money post production?

An example would be Ken's "Ho" answer. It was ruled wrong, but in retrospect, I'm pretty certain it fit the clue perfectly.

Another example was from a few years ago, the final Jeopardy answer was Don Quijote and one of the contestants wrote Don Quixote. As I recall, Alex made a comment like, "Even allowing for misspelling, we can't make that answer work." However, it was correct according to many of the spellings I've seen. It didn't affect the outcome of the game, and maybe at that time they weren't giving cash for 2nd and 3rd anyway. But would they have fixed it with the contestant afterward if it would have made a difference?


I'll personally give a cookie to anyone who can remember even one other question from Ken's 75-game run (excepting the 75th FJ, which is nearly as famous). Seriously. Come by my house in Sioux Falls, recite me one other clue, and I'll make sure you get a good cookie. Yes, it's a hilarious exchange, and rightly a famous one, but really. It's not the only clue he got right. Why is it the only one people remember? Also, Ken's response doesn't fit perfectly, because "ho' " and "hoe" are not the same word. "Rake" and "rake" are.

As far as the second part of your question goes, if potential for winning is affected, a contestant will be brought back. I suppose if an error made a difference between second and third place they'd make up the difference, but how would we know?

Final Jeopardy presents its own problems in that the response must be written, and therefore must point directly somehow to the correct response. I've finally been convinced as to why "Buenos Aire" should be counted incorrect, but to me, vowel transpositions (such as the recent real-life example "Vilnuis") are misspellings only and should be counted correct. Judgment calls can be heartbreaking, because you can always go the other way.

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Postby krf100 » Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:59 pm

It's the only one I can remember that fit my question. But thanks for your answer.
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Postby krf100 » Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:41 pm

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Re: Jeopardy question...

Postby Granny O'Doul » Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:21 am

krf100 wrote:An example would be Ken's "Ho" answer. It was ruled wrong, but in retrospect, I'm pretty certain it fit the clue perfectly.

Well, the clue referenced an "immoral seeker of pleasure" which does not fit the standard definition of "whore". However, perhaps "'ho'" or "hoe" is a bit...looser. Still, this isn't "Urban Jeopardy", so I'm not ready to grant authority to that user-created online dictionary, which would probably be thicker than the OED if printed out.
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Postby formido » Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:49 pm

There isn't even a question that ho has a different meaning than whore. Merely promiscuous girls are routinely called hos and there's no implication they charge for sex. I think his answer should have counted. Regarding spelling, Jeopardy uses too many emerging terms from pop culture to be too hoity toity about references.
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Postby justKim » Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:03 pm

"What be ebonics?"
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Postby missbitesalot » Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:07 pm

No one seemed to notice, so I'll ask: isn't Quixote the correct one? I've NEVER seen it spelled any other way.
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Postby krf100 » Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:09 pm

I always thought that was correct, MBA. That's why it stuck in my head. I'm sure it was a spur of the moment mistake by Alex, I was just wondering if it stuck forever.
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Postby missbitesalot » Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:12 pm

I wiki'd. It looks like revisionism strikes again as it is now spelled "Quijote" to be more authentically Spanish. You can't see my eyes rolling, but—O! how they do...
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Postby justKim » Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:13 pm

well, themanwho, what kind of cookies you got?

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Postby Ken Jennings » Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:28 pm

missbitesalot wrote:I wiki'd. It looks like revisionism strikes again as it is now spelled "Quijote" to be more authentically Spanish. You can't see my eyes rolling, but—O! how they do...


Uh, what are you talking about? Modernized spelling in some literary editions isn't exactly the most dangerous kind of revionism. Did you have to read "The Tragedy of Romeo and Juliet" in high school? Well, it's spelled "Tragedie" in the First Folio. The PC police strikes again!

krf100: I don't recall the show in question, but I think you might be misremembering some detail. It's possible that Alex commented on the player's nonstandard spelling (though it's more likely that the player wrote Quijote and Alex was used to the old-school Quixote) but there's no way that was the reason he was marked incorrect. As Myron says, any phonetically plausible misspelling will be accepted in FJ. And Alex always checks with the judges off-stage when any FJ judgment call is required.
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Postby krf100 » Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:40 pm

Misremembering? ME?? Hah, I laugh in your face. OK, it's possible. Actually, what is possible is that it was misspelled, but there is no doubt in my mind that the contestant had it spelled with an X, which is what I was expecting. Alex made the comment very close to what I had written above. I agree that it doesn't sound at all right, but it happened.

Again, it made zero difference to the outcome of the game, and I'm pretty certain this was before the second and third place players got to keep the cash, so it may have made no difference whatsoever. It's just something that stuck in my mind all this time.

As far as misremembering, I used that word, "misremember" in another forum not too long ago and another poster went on at length about how I was using a Bushism. I like the word myself, I can easily identify with it.
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Postby WendellWit » Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:40 pm

In her latest Parade Magazine column (what? do I lose cool points for reading Parade? I ran out of other newspaper sections in the bathroom; it was either that or Real Estate which is way too depressing) Marilyn Vos Savant declared herself in favor of "spelling reform" and suggested we start with changing "through" to "thro" and "though" to "tho". I am not kidding. It's not up on the web yet, but on Tuesday it'll be here.
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Postby krf100 » Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:43 pm

WendellWit wrote:In her latest Parade Magazine column (what? do I lose cool points for reading Parade? I ran out of other newspaper sections in the bathroom; it was either that or Real Estate which is way too depressing) Marilyn Vos Savant declared herself in favor of "spelling reform" and suggested we start with changing "through" to "thro" and "though" to "tho". I am not kidding. It's not up on the web yet, but on Tuesday it'll be here.


I read that, too, tho she used the spelling thru.
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Postby TheConfessor » Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:55 pm

krf100 wrote:
WendellWit wrote:In her latest Parade Magazine column (what? do I lose cool points for reading Parade? I ran out of other newspaper sections in the bathroom; it was either that or Real Estate which is way too depressing) Marilyn Vos Savant declared herself in favor of "spelling reform" and suggested we start with changing "through" to "thro" and "though" to "tho". I am not kidding. It's not up on the web yet, but on Tuesday it'll be here.


I read that, too, tho she used the spelling thru.


When I read Marilyn's Parade column today, I nearly thru up.
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Postby WendellWit » Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:28 pm

It was a typo (on my part - I make no excuse for Marilyn)... I meant to type THRU, but, you know, it's hard to spel.
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Postby Ken Jennings » Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:28 pm

Watch out, Marilyn vos Savant can neutralize all of you with rays from her amazing brain.
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Postby WendellWit » Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:43 pm

Oh, THAT's why I haven't been able to father children...
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Postby Vorotyntsev » Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:50 pm

Ken Jennings wrote:Uh, what are you talking about? Modernized spelling in some literary editions isn't exactly the most dangerous kind of revionism. Did you have to read "The Tragedy of Romeo and Juliet" in high school? Well, it's spelled "Tragedie" in the First Folio. The PC police strikes again!


But without "Quixote" we wouldn't have the word "quixotic." Which aptly describes any attempt to normalize English spelling.

On another board I'm on they are arguing over the pronunciation of Kuiper.
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Postby formido » Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:35 pm

Well, I'm not especially good at trivia, but here's some topical trivia I happen to know: Isaac Asimov gave Marilyn away at her wedding and it's well known Asimov favored spelling form.

Extra fun fact: Marilyn once weighed in on my marriage in one of her Parade columns. My ex wrote her asking if she would convince me to please go to marriage counseling.
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Re: Jeopardy question...

Postby JD » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:00 pm

themanwho wrote:I'll personally give a cookie to anyone who can remember even one other question from Ken's 75-game run (excepting the 75th FJ, which is nearly as famous). Seriously. Come by my house in Sioux Falls, recite me one other clue, and I'll make sure you get a good cookie.

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